Not only is it obvious Obama is a racist, it is sad that some people haven't figured it out. His church is about the most obvious case at blacks desperate to get revenge on whites. Black power is all over thier website their missions and such. If a church down South, or up North with all white members were to do that, it would be labeled racism and the left would be all over it. I beleive Obama is a joke in 08, and the only reason why he still is competitive in the polls is that people know very little about any of the canidates, especially Obama. The right knows this, and I beleive is hoping for him to beat out Hillary, even though she herself has no chance at winning. The right has all the dirt on Obama they need for a lifetime, and when the time is right, they will educate all the whites and hispanics and asians in this country who don't know what he is all about, which is Black power. Obama is a fucking joke, and the bomb will be dropped on him when the time is right.

Obama a racist what a joke. The things that are said in black Churches don't even ome close to what is said in white circles. blacks are tired of being called Monkeys, the N word, and all the other hateful things they are called by whites. Hate takes so much energy.A black person is gong to work and trying to take care of his/her family just like a white person. Every time a Black person does what they are told to do, goes out and gets the credentials (2 Ivy League degrees) the rules change. He is seen as an elitist because he is mored educated than the blue collar workers that won't vote for him.

Peace for keeping a nigga alive!

oh no

I'm trying to decide whether "Obama is all about Black power" is an improvement over "Obama is a crypto-Muslim who was educated in a madrassa" as desperate right-wing flailings go. But then, it's really just trading in a new fear for an old one.

I agree with Jack. I think it shouldn't be acceptable to be able to pull the race card or go on about black suppression. I disagree that there is suppression anymore. There is not only white on black supression but there is a lot of reverse suppression. Blacks, just as well as whites, are racist. The only way to move on from the past is to totally leave it alone and move on. To have everyone equal. Coming from a "minority" neighborhood, it is not unusual for reverse racism occur. "You can equate this to white supremacists all you want, but the parallels break down almost immediately. Whites are the oppressors, and blacks where (and still are in a lot of ways) the oppressed. " Blacks are not suppressed in present day anymore than white people are (reverse racism), indians, mexicans, females (sexism), or any other race. It is an unfair world, but the more someone is allowed to pull the race card or gender card it is only continuing this ridiculous cycle. It is true that maybe his church does not come out to say "blacks over whites", but the nation knows if a white church were to have "white pride" it would not just be about taking pride in their race.

You know I love it when blacks or white liberals come running to the rescue as soon as a black is called a racist. The rescuer doesn't know anything about the facts of the situation, and just begins hurling "bigot" in one direction as fast as possible. A racist is someone who supports one race over another, and who harbors ill-will or ill-feelings towards another race. Under my definition of racism, Obama fits the bill. Obama has written over and over again his historical mistrust and negative feelings towards the white race. He even called the white race, "that ghostly image..." in his book "Dreams". Also, it is important to note that in his own writings he is clearly obsessed with race, and his book, "The Audacity of Hope" is merely an attempt to white-wash, and distract from his earlier more serious anti-white racist rhetoric plastered all over the pages of "Dreams". Please let's call a spade a spade. He relates as being an AFRICAN, not half white, and push come to shove, he's going to support issues that support Blacks over Whites if he's the president.

A racist is someone who supports one race over another, and who harbors ill-will or ill-feelings towards another race. Under my definition of racism, Obama fits the bill.

Come on... give me even one example where Obama supports one race over another. Give me one example where Obama harbors ill-will towards another race. I will be waiting.

He relates as being an AFRICAN, not half white, and push come to shove, he's going to support issues that support Blacks over Whites if he's the president.

Hmm... any evidence to support your silly assertion? You do know that he has a legislative history, right? And that history shows NO evidence of supporting "Blacks" over "Whites."

But you probably know that already, being that you come here and post ludicrous unsubstantiated assertions without anything to back it up.

Take your ignorant racism somewhere else.

If all you can do is link racism to the term "supremacy" than sir, you are correct. If I go to a white church that sermons not about Jesus and his love for all people and tolerance (we're not talking Dr King here), but instead, honors "Rev" Farrakhan, a black "supremist", implies something more. Actions speak louder than words. Just because we have some idiots that will form a group like the KKK or Nazis, every one stereotypes, whites are supremists and racists. There is no individualism in that phrase. It's a grouping "whites". It's a given, right? If any of the words the Rev. Wright says in the pulpit were spoken at a "white" church, OMG!!! Using minority numbers or even using the past to justify being racist is no better. It is still racism. To "charge" the community with anti-American, anti-White rhetoric is wrong. It does only one thing; breeds hate, contempt and another generation of racists. If Obama has been guided by this guy, he must have had some influence on him. I no longer trust Obama, that he will be looking after the welfare of us all. No other group hyphenates their home base, I'm not Egyptian - European - American. Aren't the people of America all Americans , just Americans? It is the mindset of the black community to completely seperate themselves from this country, it's probably even a shame that "American" is in that title at all. This country has gone through it's problems, it's fights, it's revolutions and I say it's time to unite, not seperate. Rev Wright is a racist and he is not helping the cause. Obama's affiliation with him has highly disappointed me.

If I go to a white church that sermons not about Jesus and his love for all people and tolerance (we're not talking Dr King here), but instead, honors "Rev" Farrakhan, a black "supremist", implies something more

You clearly have never been to TUCC, have you? First of all, the Farrakhan stuff didn't happen during a sermon, so don't pretend it did. Second, I strongly disagree with your assertion that TUCC teaches black supremacy. Third, if you don't think that TUCC teaches about Jesus' love, again, you haven't heard much from the church, have you?

No other group hyphenates their home base, I'm not Egyptian - European - American.

So you have never heard of Native Americans? Or Asian-Americans?

Aren't the people of America all Americans , just Americans?

Sure... in theory. Unfortunately we still live in a country where there are African-Americans and female-americans and Mexican-Americans and all kinds of other groups who are still oppressed.

It is the mindset of the black community to completely seperate themselves from this country, it's probably even a shame that "American" is in that title at all.

The black community completely separates themselves? Since when?

Since Rev Wright has been saying God - (*) America. I don't where you live Dave, but what Wright preaches about when he gets "angry" trumps anything else he might preach about Jesus.

So one person saying God damn America means that the entire black community is completely separating themselves?

Really?

So one white person or group establishes themselves at a racist organization and now the entire white community feels that way? If I went to a KKK picnic because they do "good" things for the community, that implies nothing to you? Association does not exist?

Umm... where did I say that?

I never equated all white people with the KKK.

Not talking about YOU Dave, I'm talking about Rev Wright and Obama's association with him. Stop being defensive, this is not a personal attack.

Okay then... tell me where Rev. Wright compared all white people to the KKK?

Tell me where Rev. Wright says that all white people are racist?

There's YouTube video of his sermon caliing the USA the USKKKa, he calls the blue-eyed america "white america". I know that means nothing to you. But that's why i posted that.

That is fair.

Though I still don't see him saying that all white people are racist. I see him saying this country is racist. That is a very different thing.

AND... I also think that a strong argument could be made that this country may be racist.

Fighting contempt with contempt is no answer.

Hmm... not so sure about that.

We should have contempt for certain things. Sometime you need to "fight contempt with contempt."

So if there was some kind of racist group of black people that made other black people look bad and a white preacher used it in the sense Wright used the kkk, that wouldn't make you mad?

No, but it does mean that anyone that would go to church Sunday after Sunday listening to that may pick up those feelings.

"May." May is a big word, don't you think?

I also think that if Obama would have "pick[ed] up those feelings," there would be some evidence of that, don't you think?

I would like to see one piece of evidence - just one - showing that Obama is racist, anti-White, or anti-American. But I won't see it. Because you won't be able to find it.

If I felt that way and I was going into a presidential election I surely wouldn't utter it. The association means nothing I guess. But to me it says alot about what is tolerated. If he can tolerate it, he may be able to think it. He'd be fool to be in politics and voice it, but stand by and listen... that makes him innocent?

He hasn't always been running for President.

I don't believe that you can hide such feelings, and I think there is ample evidence showing that Obama doesn't agree with the offensive comments that Rev. Wright has said.

But I am pretty sure that I am not going to convince you that Obama doesn't hate his country, his mother, his ancestors, etc.

Does he think there are significant racist elements in this country? I sure hope so. But that sure doesn't make him a racist or un-American.

Well I think anyone is capable of anything and to just assume that Obama is beyond racism when he can condone, praise and guidance from such an individual as Wright. I work for US DOD and I had to explicity (under oath) that I have never had any delaing or associations with any anti-American or anti-government or anarchist organizations. If my background investigation would have pulled up some shit like Obama has on him right now, I'd never be cleared. NEVER! Even drug use is covered and I see a horrible double standard here. To imagine that Obama wouldn't even be able to hold the position I'm filling because he potentially wouldn't pass "Secret" level security clearance based on NSA standards is scary to me. I mean, we are talking President of the USA. Yet all of these events that destroy my career mean nothing to the Commander in Cheif elect. His association raises questions that will not and possibly could not ever be confirmed one way or another. It raises questions though... unanswerable questions (beyond the shadow of a doubt) are scary when politics and politicians are involoved, or national security for that matter. Trust plays a hugh part and he has placed public trust in a questionable state. You may not agree with it, you may not like it, but it will have a bearing on his campaign.

to just assume that Obama is beyond racism

I never assumed anything of the sort.

I work for US DOD and I had to explicity (under oath) that I have never had any delaing or associations with any anti-American or anti-government or anarchist organizations.

Well... I think such requirements are silly, for one. But also, I have no question that Obama would be able to clear that check. TUCC is not an anti-American, anti-government, or anarchist organization. One person, even the leader of an organization, saying offensive comments does not mean that the organization is anti-American or anti-government.

Trust plays a hugh part and he has placed public trust in a questionable state.

Perhaps... I have never denied that, and he will have to work to make sure that people associate Obama with Obama's views, not Rev. Wright's views.

You may not agree with it, you may not like it, but it will have a bearing on his campaign.

I never once said that this would not have a bearing on the campaign, did I? I think it absolutely will have an impact. I don't think it should, but I do think it will.

I never said you said it, did I? I said you may; then again you may not. But actually you did just say that you don't agree with it which was in the same top sentence of my post (50/50)??. If you stop being so goddamn defensive you may actually be a joy to discuass stuff with.

You know... your continual arguing and responding to my comments would imply that you are just as defensive as I am.

If you come on my blog and make assertions that I disagree with, I will tell you.

And yea... at times I get defensive. And at times I get argumentative. And tonight I started in a shitty mood, which probably didn't help.

We're not talking hard evidence here. It's his association that brings his credibility into question. I would feel the same way with any one running for public office. There should be no favorites.

That's fine; you have a right to do and feel whatever you want.

But I don't question Obama's credibility based on a handful of quotes from Obama's pastor.

And I see no evidence that Obama has ever shown a racist, anti-American, or anti-White attitude.

Well his wife wont even say the pledge if that counts for anything. And he's running for president! Now why the hell would he keep her if he didn't share the same views.

What the hell are you talking about?

Since when does Michelle refuse to say the pledge?

Please stop making things up.

Come on its plastered all over his book. How he is more for Blacks the Whites. He says that he would talk with one of his friends about white folks this and white folks that. And he has a white man. Truly a disgusting man. I'm mixed to. Indian/white. But I would never talk about either. And if my Cherokee dad could marry a white woman (trail of tears) hmhm. Then black people can get over slavery. I think being forced off your holy land or killed is far more worse then picking cotton.

He says that he would talk with one of his friends about white folks this and white folks that.

OH NO!!!! He is talking about white people? Heaven forbid. I hate to tell you, but Barack Obama is not white, and CANNOT live the life of a white man in this country. While he has a white mother, he has dark skin, which means that he is treated as such. Trust me - I have seen this in my own experiences of knocking on doors and hearing racist people talk about the "black man" running for President.

And he has a white man.

He HAS a white man? Who is this white man that he has?

And if my Cherokee dad could marry a white woman (trail of tears) hmhm. Then black people can get over slavery. I think being forced off your holy land or killed is far more worse then picking cotton.

You are ridiculous. First of all, the Trail of Tears was awful. But to pretend the suffering was worse than other suffering is just silly.

If you really think that slavery was just "picking cotton," then you have a helluva' lot to learn about slavery. You do realize that slaves were TAKEN from their land, right? You do realize that they were not just forced to pick cotton, but were forbidden to learn? You do realize that they were often beaten, even to the point of death?

But yea... it was just "picking cotton."

Do me a favor - take your crap somewhere else if this is what you are going to spout.

Jay,
Welcome to the real world...if one parent is black the individual is black. Obama is black, not half white. Racism is a cancer in this country and believe it or not, Obama is out to help Americans-not Black Americans...Talk about racism...whites have been looking out for whites since day one. Why do you think this country is so against the Blacks and Hispanics to begin with? Mean while Asians and Indians are accepted because they can do things that the whites in this country can't do anymore-like math and science, computers, medicine...you know,the hard stuff.

i don't believe that you just said if one parent is black then you r black,it appears you r saying black is a dominant color,we r a nation divided buy color,and ideals like that r what are keeping us sick,if anyone is racist they can't complain cause both sides r being represented,by a well educated man who was raised by a white woman from kansas,i actually feel sorry for people who r mixed racially,cause they r probably ashamed of both races.

Blacks are extremely mistrusting of any white who even has an inkling of a racist idea. If a white person at any time in his or her life had a racist thought, he or she is deemed to forever be a racist.

Blacks are extremely mistrusting of any white who even has an inkling of a racist idea.

Well... I am white, and I am mistrusting of any person who has an inkling of racism.

It is you my friend, who are first and foremost arrogant, and then ignorant. Have you read his book "Dreams"? Have you read his book "The Audacity of Hope"? Have you gone to the website of the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago?
If so, you are really stupid if you think I haven't backed up my statements.
If not, shut the f up.

Have you read his book "Dreams"?

Yes.

Have you read his book "The Audacity of Hope"?

Yes.

Have you gone to the website of the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago?

Yes.

If so, you are really stupid if you think I haven't backed up my statements.
If not, shut the f up.

So I guess I don't need to "shut the f up," do I?

Jay,
Guess what you have souch hate and hostility in you...if you dont think a minority travels a much harder road than his majority brother you must be living in a different country....Thse books talk abut the Black experience. what he overcame and how he made it...How many blacks have graduated from Harvard? Don't get it twisted, being a minority in this country is no day at the park. This is from someone who never plays the race card telling you this...if you think the playing field is level you are crazy.
It has taken a hundred years after Emancipation to pass a civil rights act and 40 years after the assassination of Dr. King to get a Black person with a legitimate chance to even take a sniff at the Whitehouse.

uring college, Obama disapproved of what he called other “half-breeds” who gravitated toward whites instead of blacks. And yet after college, he once fell in love with a white woman, only to push her away when he concluded he would have to assimilate into her world, not the other way around. He later married a black woman.

Such candid racial revelations abound in “Dreams,” which was first published in 1995, when Obama was 34 and not yet in politics. By the time he ran for his Senate seat in 2004, he observed of that first memoir: “Certain passages have proven to be inconvenient politically.”

“There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs,” he wrote. “It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.”

He added: “To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists.”

Obama said he and other blacks were careful not to second-guess their own racial identity in front of whites.

“To admit our doubt and confusion to whites, to open up our psyches to general examination by those who had caused so much of the damage in the first place, seemed ludicrous, itself an expression of self-hatred,” he wrote.

Just small examples for those who disagree with me.

You know it's really interesting when someone disagrees with your point, they call YOU ignorant. Yet their arguments are shallow, empty, and without reflection. That's what I call ignorant.

I don't see one piece of racism there. I see someone who is trying to figure out where and how he belongs in the context of his racial identity.

I also see that being about a young college kid. If you think a young college kid struggling with his racial identity means that he is racist, I am really not sure what to tell you.

Jay,
That's just it...I have been trying to tell you...welcome to the Black experience. Blacks discriminate against other Blacks and successful Blacks get labeled as sell-outs...ask Bill Cosby.The successful Blacks get persecuted for moving out of the neighborhood when we make it...A whole bunch of sh*t you couldn't begin to fathom Blacks deal with on a daily basis. Barack had to be a chamelon at Harvard, "He had to get in where he fit in." I was ridiculed by other blacks in my neighborhood for going to and graduating from college. If youre Black, "It's are you going to College?" if you're white, it's where are you going to college." You can't understand what a Black man writes about the Black Experience because you're not Black. just like I could never tell you about the White Experience because I'm not white.

"They simply stress the importance of empowering their own communities in positive ways." Yet a white centrist group that preaches empowering their own community are racists and white supremisists. Perhaps the backlash over the views of Trinity United Church would not be so severe if African American community were not so critical and intolerant of white unity/pride. The only thing oppressing American blacks is a mindset of victimology.

The only thing oppressing American blacks is a mindset of victimology.

Right. Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

Then ask yourself why blacks are disproportionately represented in prisons, even when considering the higher rate of crime among black populations.

And then ask yourself why blacks, with the same employment/educational background and other qualifications, have a less likely chance of getting a job than the white person with the same qualifications.

I could go on, but my guess is that you don't care about actually dealing with facts.

Well maybe the reason why there are so many blacks in prison is because they did something and its a more black populated area. Like new york or California. Thats like saying that nigeria's government is racist because theres more blacks in their prisons

Hmm... have you read anything else that I have posted?

I have posted numerous studies that have shown serious discrepancies between the rate of crime and the rate of incarceration. I have also posted studies showing that there is serious racial discrimination within the criminal justice system.

Try reading some facts before you make ignorant comments.

Here we go with the crime and thug mentality that is so prevalent when Blacks are mentioned. First of al, all blacks are not criminals and second of all the courts discriminate and force them to plea bargain-manufactured evidence. Yes, are there people out there breaking crimes? but don't get it twisted...there are whites committing crimes too-at a different level. Blacks are blue-colar criminals and whites are white-collar criminals...Enron, MCI, Subprime lending, Michael Millken and all he other corporate scandals out there.

I think the race question is irrelevant. What is really relevant is the poverty level and the lack of quality education. No matter what race you are, white, black, mixed, hispanic, etc... you formulate your opinions based on your own life experience. Educated people tend to realize this, and analyze their past life experiences such that they can deal with and overcome the subliminal messages that are driven into our head everyday and that cause us to formulate "racist" opinions. Rap songs with the 'N' word, clothing stores marketed to the different races, MTV, old country, rebel flags, television humor, all of these things perpetuate and amplify the differences between whites and blacks. I was in an elementary school yesterday eating lunch with one of the teachers, and I noticed that all the black kids and all the white kids were congregated on different sides of the table. Kids aren't racist. Their parents didn't tell them to sit away from each other. It's just a natural phenomenom given the different cultures in which these children grow up. The parents are perpetuating segregation by being so damn different from one another. This is a unique phenomenon that occurs in the U.S. due to it being a melting pot. Cultures are encouraged to be different instead of being encouraged to blend. This is a good thing for the preservance of cultural history, but it's also going to cause certain problems to arise. I.e. if those elementary school students continue to naturally segregate themselves, you are eventually going to wind up with two types of adults. Those who are educated and overcome this natural phenomenom and those who never explore the question of why they were segregated in their youth, and as a result, wind up perpetuating the segregation by not showing their children what the other culture is like. I know this is long and all over the place... But what I'm really trying to say is that people need to face these issues and overcome them... Thus, no matter who wins, I'm glad that there is a white and black candidate. Oh... Btw, it's totally irrelevant who wins, they're both going to do the same shit anyways. =)

Billy,
You're right1 It happened when the were celebrating 50 years of integration at Central High School at Little Rock, AR
One of the original llittle Rock 9 students noticed it while visiting the school 50 years after the land mark decision. All the whites were on one side of the rom and all the blacks on the other side of the classroom.
It happens in Corporate America too. If you go t the cafeteria you'll see all te different ethnic groups eating together in their own sections...some sprinkle over, but for the most part they stay with their own group...they used to call us "Little Africa" when I worked for General Electric.

Okay white people: If you think things are equal why do black inner cities have the worse education, which in fact is NOT equal to the white suburban counter parts?

Now, why people don't understand racism. They say that the anger displayed by the Rev. was full of anger...it WAS, at RACIST WHITE PEOPLE- if you're not racist, the comments weren't directed at you...But you have to know, in this country, black people hate racist white people more than anything else...

White people: I get this all the